1 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:41,979 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:44,440 into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:47,720 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:52,030 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:55,150 ghosts lost world 7 00:01:01,360 --> 00:00:57,530 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:01,370 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,639 --> 00:01:06,530 night now your electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:15,550 --> 00:01:09,649 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:15,560 team sports so this is the mysterious 12 00:01:20,919 --> 00:01:18,320 skinwalker ranch I guess we should lay 13 00:01:23,169 --> 00:01:20,929 pretty low or we don't want security to 14 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:23,179 know we're here they don't like people 15 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:26,210 crossing to the front gate that haven't 16 00:01:32,350 --> 00:01:30,320 been invited yeah I certainly much 17 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:32,360 rather be here than trying to storm the 18 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:36,770 gates at area 51 and wait they have to 19 00:01:41,069 --> 00:01:38,479 look out for those shapeshifters they've 20 00:01:45,010 --> 00:01:41,079 been known to attack livestock in humans 21 00:01:47,020 --> 00:01:45,020 well and to make matters worse they can 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:47,030 materialize right behind you and you 23 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:49,130 might not even know it until it's too 24 00:01:58,929 --> 00:01:50,710 damn late 25 00:02:00,969 --> 00:01:58,939 Tim Tim oh yes what is it I'm trying to 26 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:00,979 set up my camera but I can't just see 27 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:03,920 that don't be scared but there's one of 28 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:08,060 those skin walkers right beside you and 29 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:11,030 it's got big claws of a mean snout let's 30 00:02:15,610 --> 00:02:12,310 get out of here 31 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:15,620 yeah I'm hope we run into Bob Bigelow or 32 00:02:20,590 --> 00:02:18,049 some security people so they can show us 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:20,600 to the front gate come on let's just get 34 00:02:24,789 --> 00:02:22,730 back the KCR studios where we can talk 35 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:24,799 to our guests and find out what's really 36 00:02:29,380 --> 00:02:26,720 going on come on next thing you know the 37 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:29,390 men in black will be after us well I 38 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:30,769 don't see the men in black I guess 39 00:02:38,170 --> 00:02:33,769 you're not here yet yes sir so that's a 40 00:02:39,819 --> 00:02:38,180 setup for our next episode ah so Tim how 41 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:39,829 you out there and Jess where I'm on the 42 00:02:45,789 --> 00:02:42,350 Hudson River are pretty not close to it 43 00:02:48,310 --> 00:02:45,799 that sounds nice try to get a break you 44 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:48,320 know we haven't had a major heat wave I 45 00:02:53,530 --> 00:02:50,870 hear in the next couple of 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:53,540 days of course yesterday in rain and 47 00:03:00,339 --> 00:02:57,170 today it's been overcast somebody 48 00:03:02,589 --> 00:03:00,349 equated this to being in San Francisco 49 00:03:04,410 --> 00:03:02,599 and not being able to see the Golden 50 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:04,420 Gate Bridge 51 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:08,930 hope we are as always miss spending next 52 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:13,670 we are going to spend the next day here 53 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:16,280 maybe I woke up I was gonna say soak up 54 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:22,340 some sunshine but yeah it's too much too 55 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:25,220 much sunshine to me so you never but 56 00:03:29,979 --> 00:03:27,380 we've got a speaking of sunshine we got 57 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:29,989 a hot show tonight with a really 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:35,690 exciting guest yes we're and and I'm 59 00:03:43,869 --> 00:03:39,650 just very happy that that we have Erika 60 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:43,879 Luke's with us tonight now for anyone 61 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:45,620 who's been living under a rock 62 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:49,250 Erika Luke is an artist and host of the 63 00:03:53,050 --> 00:03:50,480 radio show 64 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:53,060 UFO classified that's heard right here 65 00:03:58,479 --> 00:03:56,000 on KCUR now Erika has an undying passion 66 00:04:00,819 --> 00:03:58,489 for the mysteries of the universe 67 00:04:03,099 --> 00:04:00,829 particularly UFO reports and other 68 00:04:03,849 --> 00:04:03,109 strange aerial phenomena now since 69 00:04:06,309 --> 00:04:03,859 childhood 70 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:06,319 she's been fascinated with the imagery 71 00:04:11,379 --> 00:04:08,590 of how vehicles and beans from space 72 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:11,389 might appear and she's pursued this 73 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:14,630 interest quietly but with determination 74 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,340 and due to her already established 75 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:18,320 abilities with singing and some 76 00:04:23,339 --> 00:04:19,820 voiceover productions 77 00:04:26,379 --> 00:04:23,349 she's been approached to perform media 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:26,389 broadcast work so now this coupled with 79 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:28,570 a long-term interest in strange 80 00:04:34,810 --> 00:04:31,400 phenomena of nature is led her to take 81 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:34,820 her first steps in the radio in 2014 by 82 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,520 developing her own program programming 83 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:39,680 and interview techniques of known 84 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:44,120 figures in this topic so now I should 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:46,550 say that Erika is a team member for 86 00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:49,130 project Orange a program to study 87 00:04:54,940 --> 00:04:51,800 so-called balls of light phenomena that 88 00:04:57,490 --> 00:04:54,950 has ramifications in real world science 89 00:05:01,570 --> 00:04:57,500 in the form of ball lightning and other 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:01,580 particular luminous phenomena now I 91 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:03,810 should say as well 92 00:05:10,940 --> 00:05:06,870 if you haven't seen her check out Erica 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:10,950 in UFOs the lost evidence which right 94 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:15,530 now is on playing on the Travel Channel 95 00:05:21,740 --> 00:05:19,440 and of course UFOs classified right here 96 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:21,750 on Casey are so Erica thank you very 97 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:23,820 much for being with us tonight on 98 00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:26,460 exploring the bizarre well I can't wait 99 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:28,919 I'm excited and I have to say you two 100 00:05:32,570 --> 00:05:30,270 are trouble and so I know we're gonna 101 00:05:34,460 --> 00:05:32,580 have a good time tonight 102 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:34,470 you're absolutely you're absolutely 103 00:05:44,830 --> 00:05:41,360 you know you're right we have been 104 00:05:48,050 --> 00:05:44,840 watching you on TV have they been 105 00:05:50,270 --> 00:05:48,060 treating you royally you know what it's 106 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:50,280 it was it's a great show it's always 107 00:05:55,250 --> 00:05:53,430 nice to be involved with things and I do 108 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:55,260 on the Science Channel NASA's 109 00:05:59,659 --> 00:05:56,940 unexplained files I'm in the new season 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:05:59,669 and have a few other things and it gives 111 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:02,130 me a platform to reach a broader 112 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:04,910 audience which I love because I get 113 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:07,560 calls and messages from people all over 114 00:06:13,010 --> 00:06:09,510 the world who are sharing experiences 115 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:13,020 with me and and also I get researchers 116 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:16,260 who are sending me their archives 117 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:18,180 donating archives to me so I can 118 00:06:24,490 --> 00:06:20,039 preserve history so I mean it really 119 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:24,500 gives is yeah it's so much fun I love it 120 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:28,160 well how did you get involved with the 121 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:32,430 shape-shifting and skinwalker ranch so 122 00:06:37,070 --> 00:06:35,610 Utah is my my hood I mean this is I've 123 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:37,080 lived here my whole life 124 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:40,320 and I have had really profound 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:43,710 experiences here David since I was a 126 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:47,970 child I've had experiences but in 2013 I 127 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:51,450 had a series of sightings and so I began 128 00:06:57,980 --> 00:06:55,680 to pursue research and I found you know 129 00:07:01,820 --> 00:06:57,990 MUFON became the state director for 130 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:01,830 MUFON so I'm two hours away exactly what 131 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:04,530 so we'll see exactly though I saw over 132 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:06,240 the ochre mountain range and I had a 133 00:07:09,490 --> 00:07:07,979 beautiful view of the Salt Lake Valley I 134 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:09,500 saw 135 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:13,370 the amber orange spheres and they would 136 00:07:18,490 --> 00:07:15,800 hover over the mountain line for upwards 137 00:07:21,339 --> 00:07:18,500 or the the ridge line for over 45 138 00:07:23,619 --> 00:07:21,349 minutes and then one would drop appear 139 00:07:25,899 --> 00:07:23,629 to drop out of the other move around in 140 00:07:29,230 --> 00:07:25,909 a circle and they would move off and so 141 00:07:31,749 --> 00:07:29,240 I being 80 miles away from Dugway 142 00:07:33,429 --> 00:07:31,759 proving ground and being a community 143 00:07:35,709 --> 00:07:33,439 activist and a concerned citizen then 144 00:07:40,059 --> 00:07:35,719 like what the you know what is this I 145 00:07:41,619 --> 00:07:40,069 want to know and so I began learning you 146 00:07:42,999 --> 00:07:41,629 know where the flight corridors for the 147 00:07:45,219 --> 00:07:43,009 International Islamic International 148 00:07:47,619 --> 00:07:45,229 Airport were where our restricted 149 00:07:49,809 --> 00:07:47,629 airspace is and we have some of the most 150 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:49,819 restricted airspace in the world with 151 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:52,969 the NSA being right here and Dugway 152 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:54,889 proving ground and the Utah test and 153 00:07:59,860 --> 00:07:56,810 training range and all of these things 154 00:08:03,040 --> 00:07:59,870 and so I I learned about all of that and 155 00:08:04,930 --> 00:08:03,050 I began to like hopefully most credible 156 00:08:08,260 --> 00:08:04,940 people in this subject you know you 157 00:08:10,929 --> 00:08:08,270 learn to rule out mundane objects which 158 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:10,939 I did and at the end of the day what I 159 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:15,370 witnessed was remarkable and so I joined 160 00:08:22,659 --> 00:08:19,190 MUFON and then really began to as State 161 00:08:25,119 --> 00:08:22,669 Director dig into specific areas in huge 162 00:08:28,510 --> 00:08:25,129 ha skinwalker ranch the you went to 163 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:28,520 Basin which is at I mean it is one of 164 00:08:33,850 --> 00:08:31,250 the most remarkable places on the planet 165 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:33,860 but there are other places just like it 166 00:08:41,620 --> 00:08:38,360 in Yakima you know in Missouri Piedmont 167 00:08:43,509 --> 00:08:41,630 Missouri Hart Harley Rock tur Harley 168 00:08:45,790 --> 00:08:43,519 Harley Rutledge if I could speak English 169 00:08:48,130 --> 00:08:45,800 you know yes he you know wrote a great 170 00:08:51,850 --> 00:08:48,140 book on that and did a study back in the 171 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:51,860 70s and so I went out and I began to 172 00:08:58,210 --> 00:08:55,279 interview different families in Mason 173 00:09:00,370 --> 00:08:58,220 who had had remarkable experiences who 174 00:09:04,689 --> 00:09:00,380 were in close proximity to the ranch and 175 00:09:07,689 --> 00:09:04,699 I've been cataloging different reports I 176 00:09:10,689 --> 00:09:07,699 have met with you know I spoke with dr. 177 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:10,699 Frank Salisbury I spent a week up in the 178 00:09:16,210 --> 00:09:12,470 University of Utah archives going 179 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:16,220 through dr. Frank Salisbury's work which 180 00:09:22,389 --> 00:09:19,040 most people have not seen it was amazing 181 00:09:22,809 --> 00:09:22,399 and then I also have spoken with an 182 00:09:26,199 --> 00:09:22,819 interview 183 00:09:27,999 --> 00:09:26,209 Jr Hicks and so I've been doing I've 184 00:09:31,229 --> 00:09:28,009 been doing a lot of work on that area 185 00:09:34,509 --> 00:09:31,239 because it is absolutely remarkable and 186 00:09:36,369 --> 00:09:34,519 not only are there really profound 187 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:36,379 things taking place but then you've also 188 00:09:41,650 --> 00:09:39,169 got this aspect of people that have gone 189 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:41,660 in to try to make money on the location 190 00:09:48,989 --> 00:09:45,889 who have manipulated public perception 191 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:48,999 and created some very negative and 192 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:52,850 destructive things that go on in the 193 00:09:58,419 --> 00:09:54,769 community that are putting people at the 194 00:10:00,129 --> 00:09:58,429 ranch and in the area at risk and so 195 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:00,139 it's it's just it's the whole thing's a 196 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:03,410 freaking trip well now how far back do 197 00:10:09,219 --> 00:10:06,850 these incidents go and what is the 198 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:09,229 similarities or similarity and all of 199 00:10:14,139 --> 00:10:11,689 them are are they pretty you describe 200 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:14,149 this light phenomena that you saw but 201 00:10:19,179 --> 00:10:16,970 are any of them actual craft do you 202 00:10:21,099 --> 00:10:19,189 think are the similarities or 203 00:10:22,929 --> 00:10:21,109 dissimilarities you know there are 204 00:10:26,729 --> 00:10:22,939 structured craft that have been 205 00:10:30,489 --> 00:10:26,739 photographed and and witnessed there are 206 00:10:32,009 --> 00:10:30,499 you know there are areas in in the 207 00:10:34,299 --> 00:10:32,019 Uintah Basin where they're seeing 208 00:10:37,210 --> 00:10:34,309 shape-shifting creatures I interviewed 209 00:10:39,849 --> 00:10:37,220 Chris marks who worked for Bigelow 210 00:10:42,579 --> 00:10:39,859 Aerospace the past two weeks on my radio 211 00:10:45,909 --> 00:10:42,589 show and he was at the ranch for six 212 00:10:50,439 --> 00:10:45,919 week or six years excuse me and he he 213 00:10:53,409 --> 00:10:50,449 witnessed shapeshifters skinwalkers he 214 00:10:55,899 --> 00:10:53,419 witnessed different creatures Wolf's 215 00:10:58,059 --> 00:10:55,909 that were shot at you know almost 216 00:11:00,909 --> 00:10:58,069 point-blank range and they wouldn't drop 217 00:11:02,529 --> 00:11:00,919 and so these are the types of reports 218 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:02,539 and cattle mutilations I mean these 219 00:11:08,199 --> 00:11:06,169 things have been taking place for a long 220 00:11:10,989 --> 00:11:08,209 long time I mean we're talking decades 221 00:11:13,359 --> 00:11:10,999 if not longer and when you reach out and 222 00:11:15,579 --> 00:11:13,369 do work and you talk to the people in 223 00:11:18,489 --> 00:11:15,589 the community you get reports of the 224 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:18,499 same types of phenomenon taking place 225 00:11:23,859 --> 00:11:21,649 you know for a long time but more than 226 00:11:25,809 --> 00:11:23,869 that it's not just at skinwalker ranch 227 00:11:28,599 --> 00:11:25,819 Tim as you know because you've been in 228 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:28,609 this for a long time and have more 229 00:11:32,289 --> 00:11:30,529 knowledge than a lot of people that I 230 00:11:34,330 --> 00:11:32,299 know and I respect your work I just want 231 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:34,340 to throw that in there 232 00:11:40,210 --> 00:11:36,050 and you I have a special place in my 233 00:11:42,430 --> 00:11:40,220 archives with with your work but it's 234 00:11:44,590 --> 00:11:42,440 you know as you know when you go to 235 00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:44,600 these places different places in the 236 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:47,000 world there they're all seeing the same 237 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:49,250 types of things and recording the same 238 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:53,240 types of things and so we have to do our 239 00:12:01,060 --> 00:11:55,880 part to make sure that we're getting out 240 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:01,070 there and cataloging these reports the 241 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:03,950 have you ever had the opportunity or has 242 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:05,930 anybody had the opportunity to speak 243 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:08,690 through the I was going to say original 244 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:10,370 owners of the ranch the Sherman's but 245 00:12:16,330 --> 00:12:12,950 I'm sure they were not the first peoples 246 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:16,340 own that the property did you have you 247 00:12:22,270 --> 00:12:19,400 ever spoken to them yeah I have not had 248 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:22,280 the pleasure of speaking to them I have 249 00:12:26,650 --> 00:12:24,380 I I would love that I know that they're 250 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:26,660 very guarded now and they really want 251 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:28,220 nothing to do with it because it was I 252 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:29,360 think that was a very traumatic 253 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:33,230 experience to have all of a sudden you 254 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:35,000 know they're scared out of their minds 255 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:37,100 when they're witnessing these things and 256 00:12:42,490 --> 00:12:38,990 then you've got all of a sudden the 257 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:42,500 media descending on them Zac zanuck who 258 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:45,339 is an incredible reporter wrote 259 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:47,240 groundbreaking articles in the Deseret 260 00:12:52,329 --> 00:12:49,670 news about the ranch and about the 261 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:52,339 Sherman's and I think that that was they 262 00:12:58,690 --> 00:12:54,980 they endured a lot of ridicule in the 263 00:13:00,460 --> 00:12:58,700 community and after they left I think 264 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:00,470 they decided that they probably didn't 265 00:13:08,140 --> 00:13:04,370 want to have a lot to do with it so have 266 00:13:12,690 --> 00:13:08,150 you ever been on the Reg yourself I have 267 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:12,700 I have did anything materialize for you 268 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:15,260 you know what it was it was a great 269 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:20,690 experience I hopefully I will talk about 270 00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:22,700 that I've actually signed with the 271 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:25,790 current owners and NDA and we're am 272 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:28,850 working with them with a lot of things 273 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:30,770 and I respect the work that they're 274 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:32,480 doing they're doing incredible work and 275 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:33,710 I really believe they're going to take 276 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:35,540 what Bigelow did and they're gonna move 277 00:13:42,070 --> 00:13:39,380 that forward a hundred times but I will 278 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:42,080 talk about the experience that I had 279 00:13:45,130 --> 00:13:44,330 when I went up there to interview junior 280 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:45,140 Hicks 281 00:13:52,030 --> 00:13:47,990 and I was right on the border of the 282 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:52,040 ranch it was it was dusk there was a 283 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:54,440 lightning storm rolling in and I was 284 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:55,279 there with a friend 285 00:13:59,650 --> 00:13:56,990 we had a great vantage point of the 286 00:14:03,639 --> 00:13:59,660 ranch and so we set up our equipment and 287 00:14:06,210 --> 00:14:03,649 I noticed at the by the old homestead I 288 00:14:09,699 --> 00:14:06,220 noticed a light that appeared to be 289 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,709 shining up on the Mesa and I watched it 290 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:11,360 and I thought okay you know there's a 291 00:14:17,410 --> 00:14:14,209 road here there's I've got to rule out a 292 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:17,420 B C and D what is this and then I 293 00:14:23,259 --> 00:14:19,910 watched we watched as this light 294 00:14:27,370 --> 00:14:23,269 traveled across the underside of the 295 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:27,380 Mesa and then it appeared to both of us 296 00:14:33,699 --> 00:14:30,529 that this light moved out across the 297 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:33,709 grass where the bait pins are and it 298 00:14:40,449 --> 00:14:36,800 appeared to expand and it looked like an 299 00:14:42,819 --> 00:14:40,459 illuminated mist and we were sitting 300 00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:42,829 there trying to put things through the 301 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:46,760 paces this mist moved towards us and 302 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:49,970 then around us and the temperature 303 00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:53,420 dropped about 10 degrees and the sound 304 00:15:00,430 --> 00:14:57,230 became very muffled and then it would 305 00:15:02,199 --> 00:15:00,440 retreat and then we were also during 306 00:15:05,199 --> 00:15:02,209 this whole time period 307 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:05,209 I noticed above above where you know 308 00:15:10,540 --> 00:15:08,810 skin-walker bridge is where according to 309 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:10,550 some of the best researchers in the 310 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:13,220 world these craft appear to move in and 311 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:15,890 disappear and come out of but I noticed 312 00:15:24,009 --> 00:15:20,390 an amber orange ball of light and I 313 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:24,019 photographed that and at the same time 314 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,870 there was this amazing lightning storm 315 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:28,160 blowing through and so it was just 316 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:31,730 absolutely it was one of the most 317 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:34,130 stunning and surreal experiences I've 318 00:15:41,259 --> 00:15:38,390 ever had and we had some experiences on 319 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:41,269 before we went there within an hour span 320 00:15:49,870 --> 00:15:44,540 and after we left and they were again 321 00:15:51,009 --> 00:15:49,880 just really yeah I mean I I still 322 00:15:55,389 --> 00:15:51,019 sometimes when I think about that 323 00:15:57,699 --> 00:15:55,399 experience it was so so mind-blowing to 324 00:15:58,590 --> 00:15:57,709 me to witness what we did I sometimes 325 00:16:01,490 --> 00:15:58,600 have heart 326 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:01,500 time putting it in words but I'm very 327 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:04,210 grateful that I could take photos of it 328 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:07,480 I have video of the exchange our 329 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:09,730 dialogue and all of these things and it 330 00:16:18,690 --> 00:16:14,650 was whatever you said so I was with 331 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:18,700 another a friend of mine yes and so we 332 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:21,700 were out out there together and had had 333 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:23,790 talked to another person I've got a 334 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:26,410 person who lives out there that I've 335 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:28,330 interviewed his mother and grandmother 336 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:31,060 for six years they've had experiences 337 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:33,910 and he gave me a specific location to go 338 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:36,310 to so I would have the best view of the 339 00:16:42,330 --> 00:16:40,510 property so I was there and literally 340 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:42,340 within 10 minutes of us getting out of 341 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:47,590 the car this proceeded to happen and 342 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:49,690 what exactly what exactly precisely 343 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:53,260 happened it was the about the light that 344 00:17:00,510 --> 00:16:57,010 was illuminating the Mesa they miss that 345 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:00,520 formed yeah I mean so any any any site 346 00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:03,100 any sightings of shapeshifters or 347 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:07,949 creatures or spaceman praise the Lord no 348 00:17:14,010 --> 00:17:10,120 you know I think though I think what we 349 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:14,020 witnessed was enough and I will say and 350 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:15,610 I have not I don't I haven't really 351 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:18,699 talked publicly too much about my 352 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:23,400 experience but I I will say that I I 353 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:27,310 felt and as did my the person I was with 354 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:31,240 that whatever this was was almost like a 355 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:33,970 security system for the ranch or for 356 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:36,430 this area and so it was coming out and 357 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:40,240 and sensing us and that sounds nuts but 358 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:42,250 that those are my intuitive that was 359 00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:44,110 what I was feeling and then it retreated 360 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:47,140 and this happened several times so we 361 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:50,730 did at one point hear something somebody 362 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:53,620 walking behind us and you could hear 363 00:18:01,170 --> 00:17:57,570 that in the gravel where we were but I 364 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:01,180 didn't shake well what are they what are 365 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:03,310 they trying to secure exactly I mean 366 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:07,440 what makes this property so valuable to 367 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:10,990 any entity whether it's a normal human 368 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:12,310 being or 369 00:18:17,910 --> 00:18:16,570 some visitor there are sacred places all 370 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:17,920 over the world I mean there are places 371 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:21,370 where and I believe indigenous peoples 372 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:23,530 have have understood this they've 373 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:26,650 utilized specific locations that seem to 374 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:31,240 have more energy there they manipulate 375 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:35,650 this they protect it and I think this is 376 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:37,720 one of those places I mean it's there 377 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:41,290 have been significant injuries on the 378 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:44,350 ranch and I believe that those injuries 379 00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:48,280 happen when something is is disturbed in 380 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:50,020 the area and it's much like a haunting 381 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:52,450 you know if you're looking at people who 382 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:54,760 have significant hauntings in their home 383 00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:56,470 and they're doing renovations or 384 00:19:05,070 --> 00:19:00,400 construction things activity appears to 385 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:05,080 increase and so that's I I don't think 386 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:07,660 this place is necessarily unique in that 387 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:09,820 regard I like I said I believe that this 388 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:11,460 is happening all over the world in 389 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:16,390 specific locations but Norway like 390 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,790 Missouri like Yakima and so what what do 391 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:24,640 we do as researchers to find out what 392 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:27,550 the commonalities are and how do we get 393 00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:30,040 funding to do good field research and 394 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:33,700 then make the connections and in instead 395 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:35,170 of sitting behind our computer and 396 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:37,330 investigating a single case that we 397 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:38,910 think is going to be the end-all be-all 398 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:42,370 you know and improve the work that we 399 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:45,960 have other life forms moving around us 400 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:48,610 you know that's where I really feel we 401 00:19:55,650 --> 00:19:51,930 need to kind of move research forward 402 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,660 well now okay so what after having been 403 00:20:00,240 --> 00:19:58,240 involved with this for quite a number of 404 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:00,250 years what are your conclusions have you 405 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:02,020 have any conclusions if you share with 406 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,420 us 407 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:06,400 you know what I don't I wish I did 408 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:11,530 because it seems like it it changes the 409 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:13,030 more I learn sometimes the more 410 00:20:20,669 --> 00:20:15,610 questions I have but I will say that I 411 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:20,679 believe that there are or I feel that 412 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:23,500 this isn't necessarily extraterrestrial 413 00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:25,990 I think there are aspects of all sorts 414 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:26,559 of 415 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:28,350 things that are interacting with us and 416 00:20:35,789 --> 00:20:31,690 some people are more tuned in and can 417 00:20:37,739 --> 00:20:35,799 have experiences and and what it is I 418 00:20:39,629 --> 00:20:37,749 have no clue what the origins are I 419 00:20:44,129 --> 00:20:39,639 don't know I don't think anybody does 420 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:44,139 and I think it is to me pretty suspect 421 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,470 that people are reaching you know for 422 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:50,080 the extra-terrestrial thing when in 423 00:20:57,269 --> 00:20:54,100 actuality we don't know now do you think 424 00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,279 it's all tied in or are we talking about 425 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:00,159 a place that just has so much energy 426 00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:02,529 there let's for lack of a better term 427 00:21:07,769 --> 00:21:05,980 that a lot of different phenomena are 428 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:07,779 taking place yes I think that's exactly 429 00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,070 it and in my interview with Chris marks 430 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:14,799 who I was mentioning was an investigator 431 00:21:19,859 --> 00:21:16,990 for Bigelow man he was there probably 432 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:19,869 longer than any other investigator six 433 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:22,570 years I mean he felt and mentioned in 434 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:24,460 the interview that there you know by the 435 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:27,190 old homestead there appeared to be a 436 00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,080 certain type of phenomenon and then you 437 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:32,799 got over by the the the river and it was 438 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:34,929 completely different and then you got up 439 00:21:37,499 --> 00:21:36,820 on the ridge again there was something 440 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:37,509 different 441 00:21:43,289 --> 00:21:40,059 and so it appeared that there were 442 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:43,299 different energies in in the in this 443 00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:46,149 environment and they were commingling or 444 00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,580 or not but it was there were different 445 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:50,559 types of things so you could say here 446 00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:52,600 you know an old the old homestead we've 447 00:21:58,499 --> 00:21:56,710 got ghosts or you know spirits of you 448 00:22:00,869 --> 00:21:58,509 know departed loved ones that used to 449 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:00,879 inhabit the homestead and then then you 450 00:22:05,489 --> 00:22:02,730 have shapeshifters and then perhaps 451 00:22:07,499 --> 00:22:05,499 something like that going on and then 452 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:07,509 perhaps in another location it could be 453 00:22:13,769 --> 00:22:11,980 extraterrestrial but it was it was it is 454 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:13,779 a place where you've got all sorts of 455 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:17,950 things happening now how about under the 456 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:20,289 auspices of the new owners you know if 457 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:22,090 there's anything recent that's taken 458 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:26,769 place there yes there is absolutely 459 00:22:31,769 --> 00:22:29,110 activity I know that it is some people 460 00:22:33,779 --> 00:22:31,779 have claimed that the activity has died 461 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:33,789 down and it is absolutely untrue that 462 00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:36,850 there's a lot of activity currently 463 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:38,340 taking place 464 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,010 I speak with the owner frequently and 465 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,840 they have just history channel just 466 00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,720 greenlit a new show about some of the 467 00:22:54,019 --> 00:22:50,159 things that are going on there which is 468 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,029 in my opinion great because they will be 469 00:22:59,180 --> 00:22:56,940 able to to get funding to really 470 00:23:03,950 --> 00:22:59,190 continue some of the work that they're 471 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:03,960 doing and right now they have more up 472 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:06,450 there and more going on with regard to 473 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:09,630 research than most places that I know 474 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,990 maybe Norway could be an exception with 475 00:23:18,289 --> 00:23:15,600 project hash stolen but they're really 476 00:23:21,260 --> 00:23:18,299 doing good work and the nice thing about 477 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:21,270 the new owner is that he has not 478 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:23,460 beholden to the government of the United 479 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,770 States which i think is huge so he 480 00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:28,320 doesn't have to you know dance around or 481 00:23:33,139 --> 00:23:31,169 do do this a map he can really do 482 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,149 research and then eventually share his 483 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:35,820 findings with the public without any you 484 00:23:42,909 --> 00:23:38,250 know without be being beholden to the 485 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:42,919 government and now you mentioned the 486 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:45,020 incidents that are taking place in 487 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:50,070 what's in Norway yes okay Tim we're 488 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:51,690 gonna have to wait on that question cuz 489 00:24:03,480 --> 00:23:54,570 we're coming up to our body our break 490 00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:07,630 now back to exploring the bazaar with 491 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,220 two of the most electrifying researchers 492 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:13,520 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 493 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:18,770 Lee and Taylor Swift's welcome back to 494 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:20,710 explore in the bazaar I'm Tim sports 495 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:23,690 tonight we're talking with Erika Loops 496 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:26,690 who is the host of her own show UFOs 497 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:30,290 classified right here on K Co are so 498 00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:34,450 Eric I wanted to ask you Tim was 499 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:39,560 bringing up Norway before we had to take 500 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:42,230 our break now this one location and I'm 501 00:24:56,290 --> 00:24:44,990 not even going to try to say the name 502 00:24:59,320 --> 00:24:56,300 you know what I'm referring to you were 503 00:25:03,880 --> 00:24:59,330 comparing it a little bit earlier with a 504 00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,890 skinwalker ranch but has the location in 505 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:05,840 Norway now I know that there's you know 506 00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:09,020 been a lot of anomalous light phenomena 507 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:12,380 there but has there has anybody ever 508 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:16,760 reported any other paranormal activity 509 00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:19,340 that's really as balls-out crazy as you 510 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:21,380 say in the skinwalker ranch you know 511 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:24,050 it's interesting because I had the 512 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:26,510 opportunity I was invited over by 513 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:30,050 Professor Erlin strand who is with 514 00:25:33,220 --> 00:25:30,710 aughts fault 515 00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:33,230 College University and he is in my 516 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:36,950 opinion probably the most important in 517 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:39,410 groundbreaking researcher that we will 518 00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,480 ever know in this topic and one of the 519 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:43,580 most humble human beings I've ever met 520 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:46,550 and I was invited over there to visit 521 00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:50,390 science camp so twice a year they they 522 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:53,150 bring college or children not children I 523 00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:55,130 sound like Grandma Moses that is really 524 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:55,640 embarrassing 525 00:26:01,690 --> 00:25:58,850 but kids not even get out baby Joseph 526 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:01,700 anyway so students from the College of 527 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:05,210 Engineering and so they they go there 528 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:08,660 twice a year and they climbed different 529 00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:11,510 places in the valley and this is harsh 530 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:12,230 conditions where 531 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:14,809 talking in the middle of winter and they 532 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:17,929 they climb up to these these met the 533 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:19,370 tops of mountains where they've got the 534 00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:21,110 best observation points said their 535 00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:23,630 equipment lots of equipment they've got 536 00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:26,179 the funding from different universities 537 00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:28,580 in Europe and they are gathering data 538 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:32,390 and 35 years ago when they first went 539 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:34,610 ere Ling and his colleagues first 540 00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:36,650 decided that they wanted to do this they 541 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:41,840 had to look at a specific set of data 542 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:44,450 they couldn't just go in there and and 543 00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:47,230 even though they were getting reports of 544 00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:50,600 the ABC and D they had to decide what 545 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:54,140 they could do to really get this studied 546 00:26:59,500 --> 00:26:57,650 and funded in a very scientific manner 547 00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,510 and so they chose to look at the 548 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:02,720 anomalous light phenomena but when I was 549 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:05,510 over there I interviewed John Arvid who 550 00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:07,370 has lived in the valley his whole life 551 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:09,350 there's a really great documentary 552 00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:11,390 called the portal which I would 553 00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:14,840 recommend everyone watches and they 554 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,870 interviewed his sister but John was 555 00:27:22,659 --> 00:27:20,480 talking about these balls of light that 556 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:22,669 were appearing outside their homes he 557 00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:24,410 talked about the fact that they or they 558 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:29,179 were seeing scoops of soil it was lifted 559 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:32,980 out and in a cookie cutter shape and set 560 00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:36,770 many you know every day at a far 561 00:27:41,169 --> 00:27:39,500 distance away with the branches intact 562 00:27:44,380 --> 00:27:41,179 they were seeing these types of things 563 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:44,390 they were seeing structured craft he 564 00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:47,240 mentioned that there was a person that 565 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:51,740 saw a small entity and and so they're 566 00:27:55,659 --> 00:27:53,809 they're seeing this again the same types 567 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:55,669 of things that they're seeing at 568 00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:57,890 skinwalker and so it was really a 569 00:28:03,360 --> 00:27:59,960 remarkable experience to sit across from 570 00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:03,370 him in this teeny little Valley and 571 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,590 listen to his experiences is an 80 year 572 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:09,440 old and listen to how that affected him 573 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:12,650 and how the community just like 574 00:28:18,669 --> 00:28:14,690 skinwalker just like the Uintah base and 575 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:18,679 how the community was in a way 576 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:22,970 manipulated by the media and also really 577 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:24,650 did not feel that they had a place to 578 00:28:27,649 --> 00:28:25,440 turn and 579 00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:27,659 that's why it was remarkable to see 580 00:28:32,629 --> 00:28:30,840 Airlink strand get in there and 581 00:28:35,899 --> 00:28:32,639 understand that he could use science the 582 00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:35,909 scientific method and give these people 583 00:28:42,379 --> 00:28:40,740 a sense of security and identify four 584 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,389 different types of light phenomena that 585 00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,600 behaves intelligently or as if it's 586 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:48,179 intelligently controlled so is this is 587 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:50,129 this is big and nobody in America knows 588 00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:51,960 about it because we're too busy you know 589 00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:55,470 talking about Bob Lazar and in area 51 590 00:29:03,139 --> 00:28:57,809 and all of this you know that at the end 591 00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:03,149 of the day is is just fluff and it isn't 592 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,179 it's not contributing anything to the 593 00:29:15,259 --> 00:29:09,600 actual study of what's taking place well 594 00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,269 what a shame though that due to the fact 595 00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:18,559 that you know naturally he has to try to 596 00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,029 secure proper funding for his research 597 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:24,419 that he has to leave certain aspects of 598 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:28,529 what's going on there out because of 599 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:29,970 that because it'll be perceived as maybe 600 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:33,809 too crazy you know too far out yet as as 601 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,769 we all know this phenomena has as an 602 00:29:46,009 --> 00:29:42,600 integral part of it these these really 603 00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:46,019 high strangeness cases that that revolve 604 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,820 around what we would you know for 605 00:29:53,749 --> 00:29:51,200 referred to as the more mundane aspects 606 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,759 right absolutely and I mean I I know 607 00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:55,980 that I mean that they know that but I 608 00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:58,110 think that you know again when you're 609 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:00,690 trying to really study something you 610 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:03,600 have to pick a pretty narrow area of 611 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,330 focus because this isn't a repeatable 612 00:30:13,009 --> 00:30:09,600 thing and so it's it's you know you've 613 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:13,019 got to hone in on one area and stays 614 00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:14,970 like I said they've done the most 615 00:30:18,379 --> 00:30:16,769 remarkable research that nobody in the 616 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:18,389 United States has heard about and this 617 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,110 is this is where it's at and as somebody 618 00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:24,600 who was invited over there and got to 619 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:26,220 talk to people in the community and I 620 00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:30,049 still do they are experiencing more and 621 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:33,990 so you know what I because I'm not a 622 00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:36,810 scientist I have Liberty 623 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,780 to talk about more more of these things 624 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:41,820 and hopefully I can work with 625 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:46,020 researchers like Tim and you where we 626 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:48,090 can look at all of this and kind of put 627 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:50,190 things together in a cohesive manner and 628 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:53,130 move forward but right right now like I 629 00:30:57,850 --> 00:30:55,110 said that's just simply not happening 630 00:31:03,650 --> 00:30:57,860 especially here in the United States 631 00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:03,660 well speaking of a more open perspective 632 00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:06,030 on the UFO phenomena here in the United 633 00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:09,920 States what is your impression on the 634 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:12,390 and I don't want to I don't want to say 635 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:14,730 new revelations because for all of us 636 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:16,650 none of this you know this is new this 637 00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:21,240 is all old news but this you know the 638 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,040 whole thing with the the Navy UFO films 639 00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:28,980 and and and all of that excitement you 640 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:30,780 know it's actually it actually has 641 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:34,490 people the news media reacting and and 642 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:38,340 really some reporters starting to 643 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:41,730 somewhat take the subject a little bit 644 00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:44,370 more seriously even though I've still 645 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:47,190 read some some very poorly written 646 00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:51,930 articles and all talking about how even 647 00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,520 though these are trained pilots with 648 00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:54,960 excellent instruments they were probably 649 00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:57,630 you know still mistaken these UFOs for 650 00:32:04,070 --> 00:31:59,970 you know weather balloons are flying 651 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:04,080 fish or what have you you know so I mean 652 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:06,510 you know what's what is your perception 653 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:09,150 on this this new attention that's being 654 00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:11,970 given to the UFO phenomena and that's a 655 00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:16,880 great question I so I think it's I feel 656 00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:21,300 like it is a great thing and I love the 657 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,220 fact that I can have a conversation with 658 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:25,320 somebody that knows nothing about the 659 00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:28,260 topic and they can say to me oh I you 660 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:30,030 know I was reading the New York Times or 661 00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:32,430 oh I was watching Fox News and and we 662 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:34,920 saw this and people that normally don't 663 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:38,250 go there are thinking about it and that 664 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:41,070 is huge and so when you know the New 665 00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:42,810 York Times first broke their story in 666 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:48,300 just December 17th to 2017 I was 667 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:49,950 immediately you know I 668 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:52,170 every media outlet that I could find and 669 00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:54,510 said okay great here's my chance as a 670 00:32:59,300 --> 00:32:57,180 researcher to connect with people in the 671 00:33:03,260 --> 00:32:59,310 media and then get good information out 672 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:03,270 and so I really valued that the fact 673 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,020 that that was lending credibility but I 674 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,080 will say that they are reinventing the 675 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:14,100 wheel and you know I am friends with and 676 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,930 I've done field research with Ted row 677 00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:17,760 who's the executive director of NAR cap 678 00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:21,480 who has they've done incredible Studies 679 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,420 with dr. Richard Haines who worked for 680 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:27,240 NASA for twenty years they have been 681 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:30,570 getting military pilot sightings and 682 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:32,250 commercial pilot sightings and they have 683 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:35,220 they've been seeing and written about 684 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:37,830 and done incredible research on the same 685 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:40,170 types of things I mean both all of us 686 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,910 know that when you look back 687 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:43,980 historically this this isn't anything 688 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:48,690 new so to act like what happened on the 689 00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:51,330 Nimitz is is the seventh sign of the 690 00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:54,900 Apocalypse I mean it is important but it 691 00:34:03,020 --> 00:33:58,620 isn't the first time well and I think 692 00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:03,030 the other aspect of all this is some of 693 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:04,740 these pieces that are being written and 694 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:07,410 and some of the responses from the 695 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:11,580 readers is still going back to that this 696 00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,460 can all be explained by 697 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:16,320 extraterrestrials these the aliens from 698 00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,690 from from other planets which for a lot 699 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:20,580 of people then that just you know it 700 00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:23,690 just clamps down the The Skeptical 701 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:28,580 shroud around them but you know so far 702 00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:32,370 nobody has has proven one way or the 703 00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:33,480 other that these are extraterrestrial 704 00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:34,679 spacecraft 705 00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:40,230 yet that is still out there as the 706 00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:42,500 top-most suggestion or what these things 707 00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:46,140 could be right and in that again that's 708 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,120 another brilliant point I think it is 709 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:51,300 interesting for me as I look back I have 710 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:54,270 an incredible archive thanks to Barry 711 00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:56,970 Greenwood and Fran Ridge and Jen Aldrich 712 00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:59,370 all people that you know I mean people I 713 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:01,230 respect a great deal have been in this 714 00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:02,970 for a long time you are familiar 715 00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:05,099 them but I have one of the best archives 716 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:06,750 now in the western United States and 717 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:08,730 when I look back historically it is 718 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:11,130 interesting to see you know when that 719 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:14,670 that ETH it was inserted into the 720 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,430 narrative and how the powers that be in 721 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:20,520 America have been promoting all of this 722 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:23,970 and I think that now we're seeing with 723 00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,470 to the Stars and Lewis Elizondo and 724 00:35:32,359 --> 00:35:30,300 these people I mean every time you 725 00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,369 listen to something it's the threat the 726 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:35,400 threat the threat and that really 727 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:38,730 bothers me because there have been many 728 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:41,369 people including people like myself who 729 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:43,890 have had experiences and I don't view it 730 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,670 as a threat and so I think that right 731 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:49,920 now what we're seeing is a manipulation 732 00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:53,160 of of all of this and I think it is an 733 00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,020 attempt to perhaps control people it is 734 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,140 also perhaps an attempt to to garner 735 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,260 funding so we need to be very cautious 736 00:36:09,260 --> 00:36:06,560 about all of this as much as there is 737 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,270 there are great opportunities with this 738 00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,480 and I'm very appreciative of all of this 739 00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:14,940 I think that we need to maybe look at 740 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,580 different factions involved in ufology 741 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:20,220 or involved in research that have been 742 00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,230 involved for a long long time and look 743 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:24,800 at their motivations very very closely 744 00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:27,089 well I think that's it's it's actually 745 00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:29,070 part of human nature I mean you know 746 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:30,589 definitely as part of human nature to 747 00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:34,290 react to something new and unusual I 748 00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:38,280 mean when I say new I mean relatively 749 00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:42,990 speaking with with fear and suspicion so 750 00:36:50,839 --> 00:36:46,260 I could see how some powers that be 751 00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,849 could could be you know using that to to 752 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,240 you know manipulate public opinion and 753 00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,400 and then of course you know you have 754 00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:58,200 these stories that I mean oh my gosh 755 00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:00,050 they've they've been around since the 756 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:03,540 1950s of say like you know the the 757 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:06,150 silencer is the silent group the the the 758 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,770 men in black or air force has supposedly 759 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:13,280 Air Force personnel harassing witnesses 760 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:15,570 when the Air Force then claimed that 761 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:16,410 they 762 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:19,830 never send anybody over to to talk to 763 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:21,500 these people 764 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,050 and and that's you know I what I would 765 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,880 like to asked him even though I know 766 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:28,560 that you're interviewing me but I mean 767 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:31,770 with Tim with regard to your work with 768 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:35,730 the UFO silencers I mean what this is an 769 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:38,850 interesting topic and I really feel that 770 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:42,330 there are factions now that are trying 771 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,300 to basically do the same thing to people 772 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:48,000 who are are promoting good research or 773 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:49,890 people who have had profound sightings 774 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:53,310 so Tim what and what is your brief take 775 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:56,010 on on the silence there's now there how 776 00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:58,610 they're interacting now with all of this 777 00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:02,700 well you know I've been collecting you 778 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:05,220 know reports the incidences of this type 779 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,090 for four years and they continue to come 780 00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,220 in but a lot of people because of the 781 00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,500 nature that kind of keep it to try to 782 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:16,020 keep it to themselves and and so there's 783 00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:18,890 a lot of reports of this type you just 784 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:21,780 don't don't get to our desk that should 785 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:27,930 be and they don't well in Tim Tim was I 786 00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:30,870 think he'll one of the first if not the 787 00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:32,670 only there's been a couple but they're 788 00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:35,070 suspicious who actually took a picture 789 00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:38,360 of an alleged men and black man in black 790 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:41,100 right so of course that's but if that's 791 00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:43,650 fit on the the media and there's an 792 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:46,620 episode of the UFO Hunters where we 793 00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:48,450 discuss that and show the photograph in 794 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,180 fact up Amazon Prime has the whole UFO 795 00:38:57,010 --> 00:38:54,300 Hunters series on now so members and 796 00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:57,020 prime can watch every every show a 797 00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:01,230 couple dozen and and so I mean did you 798 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:03,750 feel because I go back and forth on this 799 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:05,160 do you feel that the men in black or 800 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:07,410 something or the UFO silencers I mean 801 00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:10,650 are these is this paranormal or is this 802 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:14,280 a combination of yeah I won't say 803 00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:16,650 combination I would say a combination of 804 00:39:21,610 --> 00:39:19,470 both or sometimes a witness's get 805 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:21,620 hysterical over something and when you 806 00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:24,030 check into it a little bit further and 807 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:26,070 will turn out to be some private UFO 808 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:28,170 groups and some representatives over and 809 00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,150 they want copies of the photographs 810 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:31,859 or transcripts to telephone 811 00:39:36,049 --> 00:39:34,410 conversations or whatever it is they 812 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:36,059 think they're being harassed and maybe 813 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:37,890 in a sense that they are and then of 814 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:40,010 course there are the reports of these 815 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:43,349 MIBs that seemed to be that seem to have 816 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:47,369 a non earthly qualities about them now 817 00:39:58,279 --> 00:39:54,089 my thinking on this is that these men in 818 00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,289 black are really under the mind control 819 00:40:04,339 --> 00:40:01,200 of some separate entity that they are 820 00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,349 actually human but they have no idea or 821 00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,599 no recollection of what they're they're 822 00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,640 doing in most of their cases and then 823 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:10,500 when they gather the information for 824 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:12,930 their handlers then they forget all 825 00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,529 about it 826 00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:15,480 perhaps somewhat similar to what's in 827 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:17,630 the MIB movie that might be the only 828 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:20,910 thing that is similar to what happens in 829 00:40:28,579 --> 00:40:26,190 real real life and so and I'm sorry I 830 00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:28,589 died I love this because you've got so 831 00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:30,390 you're such a wealth of information but 832 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:34,109 with with regard to handlers what I mean 833 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:36,180 do you feel that there's something that 834 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:40,140 is going on obviously here but in an 835 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:45,359 international contingent with people 836 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:48,180 well I I don't you know I I can't I 837 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:51,390 can't come up with a final solution to 838 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:53,569 any of this we've talked about 839 00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:55,890 synchronicities and living in the matrix 840 00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,529 and it might be that whoever controls 841 00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:01,920 this matrix controls our destiny can 842 00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:04,559 there one certain things to be kept 843 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:07,980 secret to keep their identity you know a 844 00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:10,770 way from being identified yes but tell 845 00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:12,359 us about what you've been investigating 846 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,480 as far as recent MIB activity in and 847 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,460 around the Utah basin you know and I 848 00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:18,720 think you know I'm sorry thank you for 849 00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,430 humoring me because I just I've got so 850 00:41:26,049 --> 00:41:23,160 much I want to ask you so there have 851 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:26,059 been reports in the UN to basin of 852 00:41:35,089 --> 00:41:29,910 interestingly enough white outies with 853 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:35,099 men in black there is a taller fellow 854 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:39,599 and then a fellow of shorter stature and 855 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:40,210 they 856 00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:45,010 interrogating them and so some of the 857 00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:46,859 people are feeling that they're 858 00:41:53,309 --> 00:41:49,990 something paranormal or supernatural and 859 00:41:55,859 --> 00:41:53,319 and then you know who knows at the end 860 00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:55,869 of the day but it's hard because we're 861 00:42:02,280 --> 00:41:58,230 not I'm trying to get all of these 862 00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:02,290 sightings in in one place so I can 863 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:05,140 investigate Brian Skinner who a 864 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:07,510 skinwalker ranch org has talked about 865 00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:10,450 some of these sightings as well as Brian 866 00:42:14,339 --> 00:42:11,460 burns 867 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:14,349 so it's one of those things we just need 868 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:16,569 to as people that are investigating this 869 00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:19,300 get together and put put put all of this 870 00:42:24,329 --> 00:42:21,220 out and kind of rule out whether this is 871 00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:24,339 something mundane or something that is 872 00:42:30,059 --> 00:42:28,660 it paranormal well how are exactly they 873 00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:30,069 going about that frightening or 874 00:42:35,549 --> 00:42:32,470 harassing the witnesses what do they 875 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:35,559 seem to demand their want they seemed to 876 00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:38,170 demand information they want to know 877 00:42:43,579 --> 00:42:40,300 about specific sightings in the areas 878 00:42:47,339 --> 00:42:43,589 it's the typical sorts of things and so 879 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:47,349 again it's it's one of those things that 880 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:49,089 I would like to learn more about and 881 00:42:54,299 --> 00:42:50,890 I've been trying to reach out to both of 882 00:42:58,799 --> 00:42:54,309 them and get information so I can know 883 00:43:01,859 --> 00:42:58,809 but I think it's it is interesting 884 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:01,869 because there have been points in my 885 00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,720 life where I have felt that there have 886 00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:06,780 been why know that I have actually been 887 00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:12,160 monitored by its faction or different 888 00:43:16,109 --> 00:43:14,380 people and so you know you look at some 889 00:43:18,569 --> 00:43:16,119 of these experiences and then you try to 890 00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:18,579 you have to step back and say okay is 891 00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:21,780 this paranoia where is this coming from 892 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:28,270 so as you these particular entities do 893 00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:29,950 they have a forwarding address I mean do 894 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:32,230 you know how to contact them you know 895 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:34,450 what I will get on that and if anybody 896 00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:39,400 can dig that up it'll be me so because I 897 00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:41,230 don't think anyone has actually had an 898 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,619 interview with a real MIB I mean there's 899 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,160 some fictitious things that around the 900 00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:51,280 internet but one can't hardly think that 901 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:54,150 a serious without some sort of validate 902 00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:58,010 and of course we'll never say never so 903 00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,390 so the whole watch now the whole aspect 904 00:44:05,269 --> 00:44:02,880 of the the Eman black men and black 905 00:44:09,049 --> 00:44:05,279 phenomena I mean you know it it seems 906 00:44:14,289 --> 00:44:09,059 almost a point that pointless with the 907 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:14,299 exception of trying to induce paranoia 908 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:18,150 absolutely yeah and that's I think with 909 00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:19,529 you know one of the things that we see 910 00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,470 and I keep stressing in my guests for 911 00:44:28,549 --> 00:44:24,240 the last two weeks Chris Marx has talked 912 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:28,559 about is the paranoid culture that that 913 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:30,900 people are creating and I think some of 914 00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:33,930 the people in unfortunately the media in 915 00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,750 the higher realms of ufology are 916 00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:38,760 creating this paranoia and they're not 917 00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:41,670 doing anything to to stop it and I think 918 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:45,000 the storm area 51 stuff is a prime 919 00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:47,730 example of people who are making a great 920 00:44:52,029 --> 00:44:49,950 deal of money and they're not really 921 00:44:55,099 --> 00:44:52,039 caring about the safety or security of 922 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:55,109 people that are working for our 923 00:45:00,440 --> 00:44:58,170 government so and then that's happened 924 00:45:05,029 --> 00:45:00,450 and so where do we where do we draw the 925 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:05,039 line where do we stop creating these 926 00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:08,910 myths and and or you know I mean what 927 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:11,569 how do we figure out what is actually 928 00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:14,430 something paranormal or something that 929 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:29,559 [Music] 930 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:32,269 well and I should also add that if any 931 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:34,410 of our listeners are thinking about 932 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:38,010 going to area 51 to storm the place 933 00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,900 don't do it stay home do it Erika said 934 00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:45,440 stay home have a margarita whatever 935 00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,859 you'll be better off we need we need 936 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:52,920 them as we need them as listeners and we 937 00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:55,609 don't eat it need more cadavers that 938 00:46:03,829 --> 00:45:59,250 area 51 should there be aliens actually 939 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:03,839 in some frozen frozen state out there I 940 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:05,010 would guess 941 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:08,070 I mean there there are better ways to 942 00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:10,410 spend your money like actually you know 943 00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:12,980 contributing to to archiving or 944 00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:15,660 conducting good research or you know 945 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,360 donating to a radio show that is trying 946 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:20,940 to do good work and is it's it like 947 00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:22,770 honestly I think this whole area 51 948 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:27,180 thing is it's embarrassing so you know 949 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:29,100 well well Erica we only have a few 950 00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,990 minutes left so why don't you let our 951 00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:32,940 audience know where they can find out 952 00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:36,180 more about you name your show things I 953 00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:36,720 guess 954 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:39,780 yeah I am so I as you mentioned I have a 955 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,110 show on KCUR and Tim both of you guys I 956 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:45,300 want to say that it is because of both 957 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:48,090 of you that I have a show on ke cor and 958 00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,970 so thank you for that you introduced me 959 00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:53,760 to Tina and I will forever be grateful 960 00:47:00,020 --> 00:46:57,630 because Tina is is an incredible radio 961 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:00,030 station owner and host my show is every 962 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:04,800 Friday night at 4 p.m. Pacific time and 963 00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:09,000 I do ours on you know 30 hours of 964 00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:11,550 research a week and I bring on guests 965 00:47:16,310 --> 00:47:13,860 who are very specific to my research and 966 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:16,320 I'm not another I'm not a host that 967 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,170 brings on somebody and has them submit 968 00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,020 their own questions to ask so I do mine 969 00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:26,160 my own work I know shocking but I do my 970 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:29,630 work it's classified and then I'm on 971 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,850 NASA's unexplained files and also the 972 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:34,920 Travel Channel UFO is the last evidence 973 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:40,710 so that's where we will be tuning in it 974 00:47:45,740 --> 00:47:42,630 is a pleasure to see you on TV and to 975 00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:45,750 listen to your show as we have for quite 976 00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,030 a while now anyway I want to thank you 977 00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:50,880 for being on and Tim it's been another 978 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,160 wonderful experience for us and I know 979 00:47:59,300 --> 00:47:56,700 we have a summer full of a great guest 980 00:48:00,620 --> 00:47:59,310 coming up on a wide variety of topics 981 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:00,630 and don't forget to go to our YouTube 982 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:01,770 channel 983 00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:05,280 mr. UFO secret files where Peter will 984 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,200 add much in the way of animation and 985 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:12,400 pictures to stimulate 986 00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:20,140 you've been listening to exploring the 987 00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:24,110 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T 988 00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:25,060 Swartz 989 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:27,860 they're taking back the night by jetting 990 00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:30,770 non-stop across the cosmos in search of 991 00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:32,840 the truly bizarre and totally 992 00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:36,640 unexplained with you as they're cold 993 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:39,150 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 994 00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:43,630 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 995 00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:44,840 radio 996 00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:47,300 for more information on exploring the 997 00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:50,750 bazaar and hosts timothy Beckley and Tim 998 00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,600 Schwartz check out their kco our digital 999 00:49:02,920 --> 00:48:56,720 radio network follow their YouTube 1000 00:49:13,310 --> 00:49:02,930 channel @m r UFO 1100 explore the